
             DR LOVE:  Ed, if this patient came to see
              you today postoperatively, what would you
              be likely to offer him?
 DR LOVE:  Ed, if this patient came to see
              you today postoperatively, what would you
              be likely to offer him?
            
   DR KIM:  If he were in very good shape,
  I probably would consider a carboplatin-based
  regimen, although the polycystic
  kidney disease does bother me. I prefer to
  use docetaxel rather than paclitaxel. It has
  fewer side effects, especially neuropathy.
 DR KIM:  If he were in very good shape,
  I probably would consider a carboplatin-based
  regimen, although the polycystic
  kidney disease does bother me. I prefer to
  use docetaxel rather than paclitaxel. It has
  fewer side effects, especially neuropathy.
            
   DR LOVE:  Mike, how did you treat
  this patient?
 DR LOVE:  Mike, how did you treat
  this patient?
   DR TRONER:  He was treated with carboplatin
  and paclitaxel therapy and tolerated it
  reasonably well, although he did have some
  moderate toxicity. Dr Kim, I am intrigued
  by your comment about docetaxel being
  better tolerated than paclitaxel. My clinical
  impression from our patient population
  is that we tend to see more skin toxicity,
  peripheral edema and, most significantly,
  asthenia with docetaxel.
 DR TRONER:  He was treated with carboplatin
  and paclitaxel therapy and tolerated it
  reasonably well, although he did have some
  moderate toxicity. Dr Kim, I am intrigued
  by your comment about docetaxel being
  better tolerated than paclitaxel. My clinical
  impression from our patient population
  is that we tend to see more skin toxicity,
  peripheral edema and, most significantly,
  asthenia with docetaxel.
   DR KIM:  May I ask what dose of paclitaxel
  you’re using?
 DR KIM:  May I ask what dose of paclitaxel
  you’re using?
   DR TRONER:  It’s low. On an every
  three-week schedule, it is probably 135 to
  150 mg/m2.
 DR TRONER:  It’s low. On an every
  three-week schedule, it is probably 135 to
  150 mg/m2.
   DR KIM:  That’s the real issue. We tend
  to underdose paclitaxel a bit. If you used a
  similar dosing schedule with docetaxel, you
  would be dosing anywhere between 45 and
  50 mg/m2 every three weeks. So if you’re
  using 75 mg/m2 of docetaxel and you’re
  not using 225 mg/m2 of paclitaxel, I would
  totally agree with your statement that you
  would see better tolerability with paclitaxel.
  But I would challenge you that if you used
  45 or 50 mg/m2 of docetaxel, you would
  find it to be very well tolerated, with less
  asthenia as well.
 DR KIM:  That’s the real issue. We tend
  to underdose paclitaxel a bit. If you used a
  similar dosing schedule with docetaxel, you
  would be dosing anywhere between 45 and
  50 mg/m2 every three weeks. So if you’re
  using 75 mg/m2 of docetaxel and you’re
  not using 225 mg/m2 of paclitaxel, I would
  totally agree with your statement that you
  would see better tolerability with paclitaxel.
  But I would challenge you that if you used
  45 or 50 mg/m2 of docetaxel, you would
  find it to be very well tolerated, with less
  asthenia as well.
   DR LOVE:  What happened with further
  follow-up?
 DR LOVE:  What happened with further
  follow-up?
   DR TRONER:  He did okay for a couple of
  months. I was about to restage him when
  he came into the office with increasing fatigability,
  some chest discomfort, dysphagia
  and esophageal pressure. Once again, he
  had an unremarkable physical exam, but a
  repeat PET/CT scan showed moderately
  extensive mediastinal disease with both
  paratracheal and subcarinal lymphadenopathy.
 DR TRONER:  He did okay for a couple of
  months. I was about to restage him when
  he came into the office with increasing fatigability,
  some chest discomfort, dysphagia
  and esophageal pressure. Once again, he
  had an unremarkable physical exam, but a
  repeat PET/CT scan showed moderately
  extensive mediastinal disease with both
  paratracheal and subcarinal lymphadenopathy.
   DR LOVE:  Roy, what are your thoughts?
 DR LOVE:  Roy, what are your thoughts?
   DR HERBST:  This is a difficult situation,
  with a symptomatic patient who is
  primarily refractory to platinum-based
  therapy. My next step would be to consult
  a radiation oncologist right away. Then the
  decision is whether to treat him with radiation
  therapy alone or try to bring in some
  second-line chemotherapy in combination
  with radiation.
 DR HERBST:  This is a difficult situation,
  with a symptomatic patient who is
  primarily refractory to platinum-based
  therapy. My next step would be to consult
  a radiation oncologist right away. Then the
  decision is whether to treat him with radiation
  therapy alone or try to bring in some
  second-line chemotherapy in combination
  with radiation.
  Not many good alternatives exist right
  now. We have some data on pemetrexed in
  combination with radiation (Seiwert 2005).
  It is pretty well tolerated, so one option
  might be to administer that in combination
  with carboplatin.
I’ve done that on a few occasions for
  patients like this. I still probably would use
  some carboplatin, too, and you can administer
  that with the radiation therapy. Radiation
therapy would be the way to go here.
   DR KIM:  Assuming the MRI of the brain
  is negative, then we’re looking at a local
  recurrence of his primary disease growing
  through chemotherapy, which is obviously
  of concern, but it’s still local disease. I agree
  with Roy that radiation therapy is the first
  option we would consider.
 DR KIM:  Assuming the MRI of the brain
  is negative, then we’re looking at a local
  recurrence of his primary disease growing
  through chemotherapy, which is obviously
  of concern, but it’s still local disease. I agree
  with Roy that radiation therapy is the first
  option we would consider.
  If we wanted to treat with the best intention
  and take a risk, we could use a concurrent
  chemoradiation schedule because it
  is just local recurrence. That would be a
  multidisciplinary discussion between the
  surgeon, the radiation oncologist and the
  medical oncologist.
  If we wanted to use chemotherapy with
  radiation therapy, then certainly docetaxel
  as a single agent is a possibility. The other
  regimen that I use often is cisplatin with
  docetaxel, both weekly. Hak Choy has
  conducted studies using carboplatin with
  docetaxel and radiation therapy
  (Choy 2001).
   DR LOVE:  Do you see bevacizumab
  fitting into this man’s therapy, either now
  or in the future?
 DR LOVE:  Do you see bevacizumab
  fitting into this man’s therapy, either now
  or in the future?
   DR KIM:  If we considered his disease
  metastatic and we used the radiation
  therapy as a local control measure
  because of his symptoms, then I
  wouldn’t have a problem giving him
  bevacizumab afterward.
 DR KIM:  If we considered his disease
  metastatic and we used the radiation
  therapy as a local control measure
  because of his symptoms, then I
  wouldn’t have a problem giving him
  bevacizumab afterward.
   DR LOVE:  Roy, what about the
  general concept of second- or third-line
  bevacizumab?
 DR LOVE:  Roy, what about the
  general concept of second- or third-line
  bevacizumab?
   DR HERBST:  I believe that, in most cases,
  bevacizumab should be used in the front-line
  setting. But in a case like this, one
  could consider a chemotherapy combination
  with bevacizumab once the radiation
  treatment is complete.
 DR HERBST:  I believe that, in most cases,
  bevacizumab should be used in the front-line
  setting. But in a case like this, one
  could consider a chemotherapy combination
  with bevacizumab once the radiation
  treatment is complete.
  Trials combining bevacizumab with radiation
  therapy have developed slowly because
  of concerns about central lesions and about
  tumors of this type bleeding. The RTOG
  and SWOG both will soon have trials
  evaluating bevacizumab with and without
  radiation therapy.
  Right now we do not have data, so I
  probably wouldn’t add it to the radiation
  therapy, although every preclinical paper
  you read shows anti-angiogenic agents
  improving short-term oxygenation to the
  tumors, enhancing the radiation effect
  (Gerber 2005). In my opinion, that is going
  to be a real winner, but it’s going to take
  some time.
  I do think this patient is a great candidate
  for a second-line protocol that includes
  docetaxel with bevacizumab, pemetrexed
  with bevacizumab or erlotinib with bevacizumab.
  These trials are all out there.
   DR LOVE:  Mike, can you follow up with
  this patient?
 DR LOVE:  Mike, can you follow up with
  this patient?
   DR TRONER:  He will be seeing the radiation
  oncologist next week. My treatment
  plan was weekly docetaxel, but I am also
  considering bevacizumab.
 DR TRONER:  He will be seeing the radiation
  oncologist next week. My treatment
  plan was weekly docetaxel, but I am also
  considering bevacizumab.
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