
             DR HERBST:  Clearly, this patient is one
              of the 10 percent or so of patients who
              demonstrate response to these TKIs. I
              would bet, if we looked at her tumor, we
              would see either an EGFR mutation or
              FISH overexpression. The concern is how
              long this response will last.
 DR HERBST:  Clearly, this patient is one
              of the 10 percent or so of patients who
              demonstrate response to these TKIs. I
              would bet, if we looked at her tumor, we
              would see either an EGFR mutation or
              FISH overexpression. The concern is how
              long this response will last.
             People develop resistance to these agents,
              and she needs to be watched closely. I
              would probably order a scan for her
              every three or four months and think
              about adding something else at the first
              sign of progression.
              DR KIM: I am extremely puzzled by this
              case. The liver toxicity humbles us. Erlotinib
              was branded, originally, as a more
              toxic version of gefitinib. Although we
              know of other inherent differences, it is
              puzzling to see similarly structured drugs
              with the lower-dosed drug causing the
              profound transaminitis and the higher-dosed
              drug being exceptionally tolerable.
 DR KIM: I am extremely puzzled by this
              case. The liver toxicity humbles us. Erlotinib
              was branded, originally, as a more
              toxic version of gefitinib. Although we
              know of other inherent differences, it is
              puzzling to see similarly structured drugs
              with the lower-dosed drug causing the
              profound transaminitis and the higher-dosed
              drug being exceptionally tolerable. 
            That makes this a very interesting case. It
              teaches us a lesson that, indeed, these are
              different drugs, and even though the structural
              differences are minor, the distinction
              is not all dose related.
              DR LOVE: Roy, what if she progressed
              objectively on erlotinib and was still
              clinically stable?
 DR LOVE: Roy, what if she progressed
              objectively on erlotinib and was still
              clinically stable?
              DR HERBST:  She’s received the EGFR
              inhibitors as second-line therapy, so one
              option if she were to progress would be to
              use another chemotherapeutic agent.
 DR HERBST:  She’s received the EGFR
              inhibitors as second-line therapy, so one
              option if she were to progress would be to
              use another chemotherapeutic agent.
             The agents one would consider would be
              pemetrexed or docetaxel (Hanna 2004),
              although I’m partial to the combination of
              bevacizumab and erlotinib (Herbst 2005a).
             We recently published our Phase II experience
              at MD Anderson and Vanderbilt, in
              which that combination in second- or later-line
              therapy had a time to progression close
              to seven months, with a median survival
              of more than a year (Herbst 2005a; [1.1]). Those data are currently being confirmed.
             At ASCO this year we’ll hear about a large
              multicenter Phase II randomized trial that
              was conducted throughout the United
              States.
             An ongoing trial is evaluating bevacizumab
              with erlotinib versus erlotinib alone in the
              second-line metastatic setting: the BETA-2 lung trial.
             Based on my experience, if no contraindications
              were present — for example, disease
              in the brain — I probably would consider
              adding bevacizumab to the erlotinib if the
              tumor progresses.
              DR LOVE: Are you more inclined to do this because she’s had such a great response
              to erlotinib?
 DR LOVE: Are you more inclined to do this because she’s had such a great response
              to erlotinib?
              DR HERBST:  Yes, I probably wouldn’t
              recommend it off study for someone “cold.”
              If a patient comes in to whom you want to
              administer the combination of an EGFR
              inhibitor and an angiogenesis inhibitor, I’m
              a great proponent of clinical studies. But in
              this case, when you already have a patient
              who is responding to erlotinib, I think it
              would be reasonable to consider adding the
              angiogenesis inhibitor.
 DR HERBST:  Yes, I probably wouldn’t
              recommend it off study for someone “cold.”
              If a patient comes in to whom you want to
              administer the combination of an EGFR
              inhibitor and an angiogenesis inhibitor, I’m
              a great proponent of clinical studies. But in
              this case, when you already have a patient
              who is responding to erlotinib, I think it
              would be reasonable to consider adding the
              angiogenesis inhibitor.
              DR SEIGEL: If we didn’t use bevacizumab
              and we were going to start chemotherapy
              with a taxane, would you still
              continue the erlotinib, even if she objectively
              progressed on it?
 DR SEIGEL: If we didn’t use bevacizumab
              and we were going to start chemotherapy
              with a taxane, would you still
              continue the erlotinib, even if she objectively
              progressed on it?
              DR HERBST:  That is a big question
              that we all grapple with as we see patients
              who benefit from the EGFR inhibitors.
              This is a group for which adding chemotherapy
              might provide a benefit. Certainly,
              we know that the never-smokers treated
              with chemotherapy and erlotinib had a
              wonderful outcome, a median survival of
              longer than 20 months, but it was a small
              group of patients (Herbst 2005b).
 DR HERBST:  That is a big question
              that we all grapple with as we see patients
              who benefit from the EGFR inhibitors.
              This is a group for which adding chemotherapy
              might provide a benefit. Certainly,
              we know that the never-smokers treated
              with chemotherapy and erlotinib had a
              wonderful outcome, a median survival of
              longer than 20 months, but it was a small
              group of patients (Herbst 2005b).
             The problem here is that we might have
              missed our window. At the point when
              she’s starting to progress, you have to
              assume that something has changed in her
              EGFR axis. The drug might still provide
              a benefit, but it’s not a benefit in terms of
              apoptosis. I probably wouldn’t mix the two.
              I would either add an anti-angiogenic agent
              or look for clinical trials.
             
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